Tuesday, July 10, 2012

LotFP Goes 3.x? PF? Wha? (Plus Retailer Option)

Every contributor to a funded adventure for the adventure campaigns will receive a PDF supplement for that adventure with "OGL 3.PF" conversion notes. Owen KC Stephens of Super Genius Games will be helping out with those conversions.

(working on setting it up so I can just say the darn name but due to the "Adult Content" clause in their compatibility license, that's difficult, since two of the adventures definitely won't pass that test and I haven't asked yet about the other 17... no idea where along the Scooby Doo<-->Cannibal Holocaust continuum they're going to be!)

I've added a new perk level to further support this. For $185, $5 more than the Faithful, you get a copy of all funded adventures plus all these conversion notes in a booklet.

(I wrote to all the writers when I notified them this morning:

"Just to let you know if this comes to pass, *do not worry about it on your end*. Don't alter your plans or write with 3.5 or whatever in mind. Do what you were going to do in the LotFP/Old School/Whatever Your Plan Was freewheeling style, and let the guy converting it worry about how to adapt it.")


I've also added a Retailer Support perk which gives retailers an opportunity to get a pile of product at below usual wholesale costs. Probably only good for online retailers at this point, but might be good for brick-and-mortars after a few adventures fund.


  1. As a "3.PF" guy, this is enough to make me seriously consider kicking in...particularly now that there's a one-stop option of getting them all.

  2. There was an OGL before "That Book", which did not have the censorship clause. I have no idea if that will work with PF, though.

    1. It will. I've actually been involved with the production of a product for the PF RPG that couldn't use their Compatibility License due to "adult content."

      What I found doing it was that the Paizo guys were really nice about the whole thing, but were very firm on the whole "no compatibility" thing. Case in point, the product was listed on RPGNow under the "Pathfinder" tag for listing a product's game system, and we got a (very nice) email telling us to change it.

  3. You know, you don't actually need a license to say that your product is Pathfinder-compatible. That sort of product information merely needs to be true to be used on the marketplace, Paizo cannot forbid you from saying it unless it's not true or you've committed yourself to some agreement about the matter. It is not illegal to produce supplementary material and add-ons for the products of other companies, and it is not illegal to say that you've done so when marketing said product.

    Whether you're using the OGL is a key point here, as that license specifically limits your ability to "indicate compatibility" (clearly a concern since the beginning of OGL, this). The simplest solution to my mind is to not use OGL in your product, which leaves you free of entanglements like that. It's a far over-used license anyway, would do good for the hobby practices to leave it aside once in a while.

    (I'm discussing my understanding of the Finnish trademark law here. For all I know this is how trademarks work in e.g. the USA as well, but presumably you'll do your own reading if you're serious about publishing anything ever.)

    If you really want the official Pathfinder compatibility brand on this (that being the real benefit of their license, aside from the ability to use OGL as well), then I suggest treating the conversion notes as a separate work and submitting only that instead of submitting the entire adventure modules. It shouldn't be too difficult to keep the conversion notes family-friendly unless you literally and absolutely have to have illustrated stat blocks for e.g. killer condoms, and can't call them anything else in the conversion notes. I imagine that the adventures themselves wouldn't get approved for Pathfinder compatibility anyway, as they're not reliant on the PF rules - and you wouldn't want to apply the license to them, as that'd then require you to put the compatibility declarations in prominent places in the product and any marketing materials. Better to treat the PF aspect of this as a separate product that can be firewalled off the rest of it, adult content and all.

  4. I think marketing to the P*thF****er crowd is a smart thing. It worked for Frog God Games, though the Frog God himself plays S&W, selling to the PF crowd got him monies. Good for him, and good for you!