tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post8454037825748064749..comments2024-02-16T22:05:32.773+02:00Comments on LotFP: RPG: You Know Who I Feel Sorry For?JimLotFPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-48364033599632487982009-04-10T18:40:00.000+03:002009-04-10T18:40:00.000+03:00A couple of other things people should note: 1. D...A couple of other things people should note: 1. Dont forget Napster and all the file sharing that caused the music industry to go ballistic. Its the same reaction WotC is having. 2.WotC didn't make it convienient to buy their pdfs anyway. They were all the same price as the print product so anyone who bought them saved them money on publishing costs. So its not that they're losing money, the're just not making extra.<BR/>Now as an aside, I like 4E and still feel it can be a great product but WotC has got to stop being so Draconian in their business practices. This is something that the other companies, who thrive on pdfs noted. They're afraid, in my estimation that this will drive their sales way down becuase of the fear of porsecution and thus putting them out of business. An interesting notion that someone suggested giving the rights to D&D to Piazo. I think that would be a great idea. WotC had their run with it and did well but maybe its time to give it to a company that cares more about its customers.Gryphonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709017667564494512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-41914718145874303562009-04-09T12:17:00.000+03:002009-04-09T12:17:00.000+03:00James, gotta say I expected more venom from you th...James, gotta say I expected more venom from you than this about it. <BR/><BR/>By doing this WoTC have made it very simple for other people to move in. White Wolf & Paizo are announcing deals. And why work for WoTC and their corporate dicketry (Jeff for the win) when game design, marketing and publishing is just so damn easy nowadays?<BR/><BR/>It's a dumb move and it's going to hurt them - if they think everyone will jump on D&D Insider they're several beers short of a six pack. Jus' sayin.satyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479802116614818015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-81518442716177950132009-04-08T22:23:00.000+03:002009-04-08T22:23:00.000+03:00>>>fliprushman said... I'm glad to...>>>fliprushman said...<BR/><BR/> I'm glad to see that the community is looking at WotC's latest scheme with the same attitude as I am. I must say, I agree that this is a smokescreen. 4e sales have dropped significantly since it's release a year ago. I guess us gamers do know what we like. ;)<<<<BR/><BR/>That's why PHB 2 actually hit big time best sellers lists, because no one bought it? Reality check, 4E sales are actually picking up, not dropping off. Check your facts.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, the piracy has led to more sales, not less. More people bought 4e after reading those leaked pdf's, or were able to make an informed decision to buy instead of buying and THEN getting pissed off.<BR/><BR/>I will freely admit to downloading the pirated stuff, and it influenced my entire group's purchasing decisions, including which books to buy in what order, and which books we felt we could afford to skip.<BR/><BR/>The option to preview the work has made us more savvy and informed consumers.<BR/><BR/>Just like if we had set down in a big box store and read the material before approaching the register.<BR/><BR/>I concure with several previous posters; I think WotC is just encouraging piracy.Malckusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06214515687761677902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-22165779314963231822009-04-08T17:31:00.000+03:002009-04-08T17:31:00.000+03:00I think it is interesting that WotC's move is gene...I think it is interesting that WotC's move is generating negative reactions from pretty much everyone. I don't think the company will die off because of this as most fans won't quit playing, but to see pretty much everyone saying they are sick of their shit is interesting. <BR/>It's not only bloggers, and 4e haters, but their competition and many of the 4e player comments on various sites are all pretty much anti-WotC. BTW it was pretty smart of the various RPG competitors to jump on this quickly by offering free or discounted pdf's. Hopefully it works to their benefit.<BR/>I for one think and hope that WotC has finally shown people their true colors and that people speak with their wallets. We can blog and comment about it till we're blue in the face, but until WotC actually sees that their decisions are impacting sales, they won't care. <BR/>I say sell the brand to Paizo and be done with it.Geek Gazettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041253917215490424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-4480737609543773052009-04-07T19:43:00.000+03:002009-04-07T19:43:00.000+03:00>>Your argument could be used for each relea...>>Your argument could be used for each release from 2e onward.<BR/><BR/>And if we're talking non-core 2e (kits, etc), I indeed use that argument for each release from 2e onward.JimLotFPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-84786614594250435992009-04-07T19:41:00.000+03:002009-04-07T19:41:00.000+03:00>> At least they'd be labeling it as som...>> At least they'd be labeling it as something different and not basically trying to fool people into thinking it's the same thing, only better.<BR/><BR/>It's the same shit different smell. Your argument could be used for each release from 2e onward.Nopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743719179352388875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-48730746035127516222009-04-07T19:30:00.000+03:002009-04-07T19:30:00.000+03:00I'm glad to see that the community is looking at W...I'm glad to see that the community is looking at WotC's latest scheme with the same attitude as I am. I must say, I agree that this is a smokescreen. 4e sales have dropped significantly since it's release a year ago. I guess us gamers do know what we like. ;)fliprushmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548387842294608631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-64305521582384979662009-04-07T18:15:00.000+03:002009-04-07T18:15:00.000+03:00This:"My boy likes dragons. Put in a dragon man th...This:<BR/><BR/>"My boy likes dragons. Put in a dragon man that he can play."<BR/><BR/>Made my fucking day. Bwahahaha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-1171901470348995992009-04-07T16:13:00.000+03:002009-04-07T16:13:00.000+03:00Jim, I was thining the same thing this morning. I...Jim, I was thining the same thing this morning. I can only imagine what a bummer it would be to finally land that dream job as a game designer for D&D only to be subject to all this corporate dicketry. Of course, the people that care seemed to be dismissed on an annual basis, so you don't have to endure the problem for long.Jeff Rientshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493878980535235896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-7739701653439312192009-04-07T16:04:00.000+03:002009-04-07T16:04:00.000+03:00>>What the hell's a lifestyle gamer?That...>>What the hell's a lifestyle gamer?<BR/><BR/>That's what Wizards of the Coast calls their customers/all of us in their press releases.<BR/><BR/>>>It's still a game based on D&D so calling it something retarded like MagicSword: blah blah blah would be some shitty deals.<BR/><BR/>At least they'd be labeling it as something different and not basically trying to fool people into thinking it's the same thing, only better. Most roleplaying games, and certainly Tunnels & Trolls, Palladium, Runequest, etc, are based off of or created in reaction to D&D anyway.JimLotFPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-11268944049989633562009-04-07T14:58:00.000+03:002009-04-07T14:58:00.000+03:00>>Too all the people saying wotc are losing ...>>Too all the people saying wotc are losing sales to pirates I say that's bullshit.<BR/><BR/>I don't doubt they are losing some sales... but there's nothing that can be done about it (save for never ever releasing anything ever again... actually, I vote that they do that!) and removing the ability of some customers who want to pay you to actually do so is... dumb.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention that if sales are down (after PHB II has been on best-seller lists lately?), they're in deep deep shit if piracy is their scapegoat while the real answer lies elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>Personally I tend to believe the "it's a smokescreen to bring everything in-house" theory with a side-dash of "and they'll discontinue the old edition offerings altogether."<BR/><BR/>We'll see.JimLotFPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-49245102707843096572009-04-07T14:45:00.000+03:002009-04-07T14:45:00.000+03:00I think the pattern you are seeing is that after W...I think the pattern you are seeing is that after WotC has their semi-annual lay-off, there are a lot of talented people that need to find new jobs.... and so they create their own or join better companies.<BR/><BR/>I still expect to see every new WotC release available within weeks of releas. If anything this motivates the pirates to make an effort at "stealing" WotC IP.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14288413687247212495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-83779700982972895772009-04-07T13:55:00.000+03:002009-04-07T13:55:00.000+03:00I don't feel too sorry for them.Hitch your star to...I don't feel too sorry for them.<BR/><BR/>Hitch your star to Hasbro -- how could that go wrong?K. Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06623767121412820113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-43764614829261401232009-04-07T10:35:00.000+03:002009-04-07T10:35:00.000+03:00What the hell's a lifestyle gamer?It's sti...What the hell's a lifestyle gamer?<BR/><BR/>It's still a game based on D&D so calling it something retarded like MagicSword: blah blah blah would be some shitty deals.<BR/><BR/>But many of the naming conventions used in 4e (power cards?) are kind of dumb. I think it's partly white wolf and partly the whole "indie gaming scenes" fault. Trying to come up with buzz words to stay relevant when something straight forward would do. <BR/><BR/>Skill challenges, paragon paths, epic destinies & splitting levels into wow styled tiers are all things I've pretty much ignored in my games so far. With power cards I figured out a good solution. Call power cards tactics and straight up erase/white out the stupid 'power card names' and descriptions. The players still have the mechanics and can describe the tactic used however they see fit.<BR/><BR/>I think a combination of wotc's management and the arrogance of the employees are really fucking themselves over. They sort of started off with a whole superiority thing and it just snowballed from there.<BR/><BR/>In many ways I don't really feel sorry for the creative people at all. I feel sorry for the guys who lost there jobs during christmas, and the group of employees who lost their jobs a few months before that.<BR/><BR/>It feels like the people in charge of wotc are all to busy with company politics to run a good business. To me it sounds like there might not be many people to feel sorry for left in the company if they were to lose their jobs and I'm sure with moves like these that it's probably going to happen again within the next 6 months.<BR/><BR/>Also shitty economy plus overpriced books being sold under a shitty marketing plan and business model is the culprit, not pirates. If someone really wanted the books they would have bought them anyways regardless if they had obtained a pirated version. Too all the people saying wotc are losing sales to pirates I say that's bullshit.Nopehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743719179352388875noreply@blogger.com