tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post4765723095040283542..comments2024-02-16T22:05:32.773+02:00Comments on LotFP: RPG: The Hammer Drops!JimLotFPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-33504682146833323822010-01-18T18:30:04.047+02:002010-01-18T18:30:04.047+02:00@ sorcerersofdoom: Thanks for the apology.@ sorcerersofdoom: Thanks for the apology.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14531253485041961783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-15287384372068468972010-01-18T04:09:02.228+02:002010-01-18T04:09:02.228+02:00@Nick: I apologize for being harsh to a new blogge...@Nick: I apologize for being harsh to a new blogger. I am, quite simply, an asshole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-32943680940415428322010-01-18T00:40:47.780+02:002010-01-18T00:40:47.780+02:00It’s very interesting. James himself, in the post...It’s very interesting. James himself, in the post (http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-osr-needs.html) that prompted me to write a review, said, “But what to do? Pursuing this is going to mean drama and hurt feelings. Whoever bothers to do this has to have a thick skin, and probably should have no publishing aspirations of their own ("revenge" reviews are an ugly thing, especially when well-composed, and even fans of a particular product or author will engage in this behavior). It'll be a lot of work to do for not so much reward.”<br /><br />He proves once again that he knew what he was talking about.<br /><br />@ sorcerersofdoom: No link to the module. A “big FAIL” or a minor oversight? I have to say that I am embarrassed that I didn’t include a link, so thank you for pointing that out. There’s a link included now.<br /><br />I’m not sure how focusing a review on one specific portion of a product would make the review more useful to anyone. If I was going to do that, the review would have been five words long: “They were functional but ugly.” Prior to posting the actual review, I did send a map of the Shrine to James, for free, for him to use, if he desires, in the next printing. I promise you that it is a lot nicer looking than what was in the module—and it looked like it came out of a product from the early days.<br /><br />The review was split into two posts, because my schedule yesterday was crazy, and I wanted to get up what I had when I finished the first part. And if I thought that James was going to come across the first part before the second part was ready, I probably would not have done that. I was as shocked as the next guy when he referenced my Part One before I uploaded Part Two.<br /><br />And, yes, I was aware ahead of time that I was going to be critical. THAT is EXACTLY what James asked for in the post that I referenced above—people to be more critical in their reviews of OSR material.<br /><br />As far as traffic stats go, I’d love to know the difference as well, especially since I’ve been blogging for only two weeks now. I doubt that ANYONE has seen any of the other posts. (Again—I’m not really sure how James saw the Part One.) Yes, I am quite confident that every other post had ZERO readers before today.<br /><br />@ limpey: Is it possible that the stuff being published by WOTC today turns you off specifically because it is being published today by WOTC?<br /><br />“Less valid” is never a phrase that I used. And I stressed in the review that I believe art is subjective. My opinion is no better, or worse, than yours.<br /><br />You seem to believe that I am a critic of the OSR. Not so, at all. In fact, I am a HUGE proponent of it. I just believe that “old-school” products don’t need to look like they were published 30+ years ago to be good products or to be accepted in the movement.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14531253485041961783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-85043885150810726132010-01-17T21:18:43.325+02:002010-01-17T21:18:43.325+02:00I pretty much disagree with everything the reviewe...I pretty much disagree with everything the reviewer said regarding art for RPG products. The artists I connect with original D&D (like Otus, Trampier, Darlene, etc.) and the artists I connect with the OSR stuff (like Mullen and some others, including your Jalo) pursue a varied aesthetic that I like. <br />The stuff currently being published by WOTC just turns me off.<br />Why is something that is derivative of stuff produced 30 years ago less valid than the art that WOTC is using now (which seems derivative as well, just from different sources).<br />It's a game I first discovered ~30 years ago, so my experience of it is going to be different than a 15 year old's in 2010. It seems natural to me that we wouldn't respond to the same aesthetic.<br />I don't like when critics of the OSR use 'nostalgia' as an insult.Stefan Poaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192911890556534923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-65814278312861347042010-01-17T15:19:02.089+02:002010-01-17T15:19:02.089+02:00My print copies of DFD & NDID are beautifully ...My print copies of DFD & NDID are beautifully made, so yes, you've succeeded. The reviewer's first mistake was in settling for a pdf. I buy some OSR stuff in pdf, but, after receiving the two items mentioned above, for Christmas, I won't settle for anything less than print, when it comes to LotFP products. So again, yes; Prod. Values matter.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192212467523179768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-36165454317349355062010-01-17T14:58:09.014+02:002010-01-17T14:58:09.014+02:00For what it's worth, a couple of comments...
M...For what it's worth, a couple of comments...<br />Maps: The blog in question is about cartography. Nick kind of blew it by reviewing the whole piece. I'll add his blog to my links, because I love the map part of the adventure module experience. However, in the post he had a link to Philotomy Jurament, but he didn't put a f**king link to the module on any of the numerous places it exists for sale. That's a big FAIL. I can nitpick, too...<br />DFD was only five dollars for the PDF (I would've paid ten, by the way) - I'm thrilled that it even had maps and would've bought it even if it was just story scrawled out in black crayon on scanned pieces of paper towel.<br /><br />Getting Clicks: Everyone's entitled to their own 'review' of a written work, but I think Nick would've had a more useful posting (notice that DFD reviewing was mentioned in two whole postings) if it was a review of DFD's maps (and only the maps). I found it revealing that there were two postings mentioning 'the review'. It seems Nick was well aware that DFD has gotten much praise and that he was going to be very critical. I would love to know how the traffic stats on his DFD review post measure up to some of his other posts. You know, because I'm just curious...<br /><br />The Art: I love that Mr. Raggi put art in a prominent position in DFD. I thought the 'Edvard Munch' style art was perfect for the content of the adventure. Putting 'whole page' artwork on the cover was a stroke of genius - it instantly makes the work stand out on every store that carries it because even in thumbnail form, it stands out among all the colorful covers of other works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-85096207733866314122010-01-17T14:22:04.903+02:002010-01-17T14:22:04.903+02:00I think that art is perhaps the most subjective as...I think that art is perhaps the most subjective aspect of any rpg material. Obviously you liked it a lot--or you wouldn't have included it.<br /><br />And I have to agree: Good production values paired with excellent content is best.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14531253485041961783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-61294684748959928342010-01-17T12:52:54.136+02:002010-01-17T12:52:54.136+02:00Yeah but good production values paired with excell...Yeah but good production values paired with excellent content is best. :)JimLotFPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992397707040836366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6670029344758253148.post-23884533847814395342010-01-17T12:42:22.450+02:002010-01-17T12:42:22.450+02:00So melodramatic James! ..you perfectionist, you!
...So melodramatic James! ..you perfectionist, you!<br /><br />Production value is all to the good, and certainly helps to sell copy, but quality product will build the business...and the positive reviews and word-o-mouth on Death Frost Doom are going to carry more weight with your target audience (OS players) than slick production value. These are people playing with little brown books for gods' sake!<br /><br />: )JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.com